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carnage-runner · Oct 27, 2010, 07:12 PM // 19:12

WHY?!?! Does everyone insist on calling anything uninscribable "oldschool"?
Just because it doesn't have an inscription doesn't make it "oldschool"! Think about it. An uninscribable item that dropped in the last few years is newer than my inscribable spear that dropped 4 years ago! Which one is more oldschool? Saying a staff that has a white inherent 20% modifier at the top of the description on it is oldschool is wrong! Oldschool is dual neg mods, +30 enchant max gold shields, 20/20 mods that are both gold and under the req/damage description, max req 8's for the most part, max req7's for all parts.

So... I'm not sure where i'm going with this. I guess this is a rant of sorts and a question of other sorts. I see everyone using the title "oldschool" on things that are most definitely not oldschool. Why don't people simply type uninscribable or uninsc. instead?

Does anyone else notice this?

How do you define Oldschool?

My definition is simple; it no longer drops.

dansamy · Oct 27, 2010, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Oldschool refers to how item attributes were rolled prior to the whole inscription thing. It does not refer to a specific period of time, although weapons dropped prior to the current way of assigning an item's attributes on drop can't help but being oldschool because there was no other method of assigning their attributes. Just two days ago I got a shield with +1 to Death magic (15%? I think).

So, to me, oldschool is any of those wacky combinations that we sometimes would see. r9 Heal staff with HCT 20% on Fire skills and HSR 20% on Domination or things like that. Shields with +xx% to a caster magic. Yes, they still drop in Tyria. They're rare. They're even rarer to find a useful one with a perfect +20%.

sixdartbart · Oct 27, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

My definition is simple; it no longer drops.

Nice Rant!!!

If I can go out and get one to drop right now it is NOT "oldschool" IMO

The "Oldschool Shields" thread comes to mind, not a single "oldschool" in the OP and even after Pleikki pointed out what an "oldschool" shield actually is the thread was filled with mostly things that could have dropped today.
Yes a -5/20 modded shield is better stat wise then a -3/10 but one IS an oldschool and the other is NOT.

jimbo32 · Oct 27, 2010, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by dansamy

Oldschool refers to how item attributes were rolled prior to the whole inscription thing. It does not refer to a specific period of time, although weapons dropped prior to the current way of assigning an item's attributes on drop can't help but being oldschool because there was no other method of assigning their attributes.

This ^ exactly.

Whether you like it or not, that's the widely accepted definition. Since the word "oldschool" as it relates to GuildWars is a player-defined term, the most widely accepted definition is the one that matters. And when I say "widely accepted", I'm not just talking about the unwashed masses that came along post-NF who long-time GW players like to look down their noses at. I mean that it's generally accepted by nearly everyone to mean "drops from Tyria and Cantha that have an inherent mod rather than an inscription slot".

carnage-runner · Oct 27, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Drops from Tyria and Cantha are Uninscribable. Drops from EotN and Elona are inscribable. That's the difference between those drops. Uninscribable drops have been changed over time. Meaning the possible drops from uninscribable items has been altered. What is oldschool about things that are new? I'm just annoyed when I see Oldschool everwhere.. If a thread says oldschool I expect to see things that were only dropping in 05 and early 06. Pre Factions. I guess it's just annoying. The staff thing bugs me a lot. They are uninscribable. Nothing about them is oldschool.

I guess if oldschool is going to be over used and misused like it is then we should think up a name for inscribable weapons. Maybe something unoriginal like "new school" ?

sixdartbart · Oct 27, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by jimbo32

I mean that it's generally accepted by nearly everyone to mean "drops from Tyria and Cantha that have an inherent mod rather than an inscription slot".

admittedly 4 people is a rather small sampling but so far it looks 50/50 which is hardly "nearly everyone" but I do look forward to seeing more opinions.

I'm such a dead ender that I don't include cantha drops as "oldschool" but thats just me wishing they had never added that craphole. errrr expansion

on a side note;
How many of you were with us trying to explain how badly the whole inscription crap was going to ruin the rare/collectable aspect of GWs that some of us freaks actually enjoyed?

o m g pizowned · Oct 27, 2010, 11:58 PM // 23:58

I consider something that doesn't drop any longer nerfed, not oldschool. I do see where you guys are coming from, but I'm with the percentage that calls non-insc things oldschool. simply because I take inscriptions as being new, they were added to the game later

jimbo32 · Oct 28, 2010, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

on a side note;
How many of you were with us trying to explain how badly the whole inscription crap was going to ruin the rare/collectable aspect of GWs that some of us freaks actually enjoyed?

I'll admit that I'd prefer if the addition of inscriptions never happened. It's much more satisfying to find a really nice uninscribable item that one of your characters can use.

Malice Black · Oct 28, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Oldschool to me is the big buck items of the golden age. While not many of these are worth shit nowadays, they are a reminder of when getting a gold drop was somewhat exciting. You'd get that req9 choas axe in FoW praying it was a 15^50, but you'd settle for 15% stance or 15% enchanted.

These days it's just ID then sell to the merch if it isn't one of the few 'vanity' skins not yet quite been over farmed.

Pleikki · Oct 28, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Eventho im one of few who gets annoyed by using the word oldschool on just stuff. Imo oldschool is someting no longer possible get, so normal NON INSCRI shields aint oldsq unless they got nerfed req/Mods :P

theres what i said just few days ago on one topic around in traders outpost

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Yes a -5/20 modded shield is better stat wise then a -3/10 but one IS an oldschool and the other is NOT.

For this i have to say, 5/20 itself aint oldschool, but it doesnt make item which is oldschool so called "new school", like r7 canthan shield with 5/20 is oldschool.

_Todeshand_ · Oct 28, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Why don't people simply type uninscribable or uninsc. instead?

Oldschool sells better than uninscr.

obastable · Oct 28, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I always thought "nerfed" was more appropriate for things that don't and/or can't drop anymore. Old school is like old fashioned, original style, etc., etc.. like the skateboards out in my garage.

You can still buy new ones, exactly like the ones I used 20 years ago, but they're considered "old school" as compared to the newer deck shape.

Sir Cusfreak · Oct 28, 2010, 03:13 PM // 15:13

calling every change in the game a 'nerf' is just as annoying, or worse than calling every uninscribable an 'oldschool'.

'nerf' weakens things down, lowers it, softens it up. Like the change that was made to staves, that killed the oldschool 10/10s and added 20% HSR to every max staff...that is as far from a nerf as one can get. The end of r7 max, that was a nerf. But all the traders calling the old-style staves "pre-nerf" is just as rediculous. (pssst...Staves didn't get nerfed, they got buffed.)

But trying to get people to change any established term, however incorrect or inaccurate, is like talking to a wall, because it makes dumbasses think they are engaged in 'leetspeek' for whatever dumbass reason.

Its like these dipshits that call every Essence of Celerity a "BU". Its stupid enough to make my eyes bleed from viewing it, but it's too late now, because lazy ass kids are not going to bother trying to type it, much less put forth the effort to actually understand it.

Get off my lawn.

Pleikki · Oct 28, 2010, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Well Kinda staffs didnt get buff or nerf, just one inherent modifier added and one changable modifier removed, Old staves also were able be 20/20 ones now, But also were able have 10% Hsr even tho cant figure single use for that when the current inher is 20hsr all

VAge Japie · Oct 28, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Oldschool and ''uninsc.'' are both dumb stuff imo. I mean why would you prefer a 15^50 ''oldschool'' weapon over a 15^50 insc. weapon?

I sometimes see people saying ''WTS r9 15^50 OLDSCHOOL *weapon X* bla bla ONLY 50 ecto's!!''... and then I'm like: ''Dude it's just the same weapon that the guy over there is selling for 5k, except that YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE HIS weapon(= better, IMO)''.

o m g pizowned · Oct 28, 2010, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by VAge Japie

Oldschool and ''uninsc.'' are both dumb stuff imo. I mean why would you prefer a 15^50 ''oldschool'' weapon over a 15^50 insc. weapon?

I sometimes see people saying ''WTS r9 15^50 OLDSCHOOL *weapon X* bla bla ONLY 50 ecto's!!''... and then I'm like: ''Dude it's just the same weapon that the guy over there is selling for 5k, except that YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE HIS weapon(= better, IMO)''.

Why would I want a weapon that every other person in gw has? Some people like rarity.

VAge Japie · Oct 28, 2010, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by o m g pizowned

Why would I want a weapon that every other person in gw has? Some people like rarity.

Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?

Pleikki · Oct 28, 2010, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by VAge Japie

Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?

You know u can have both

carnage-runner · Oct 28, 2010, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by VAge Japie

Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?

You can get r8 weapons uninsc. Furthermore some items only drop uninsc. Also, collecting. And, personal preference. As well as, status. Why do you get anything in the game other than max damage purple r13 weapons? Because according to your comment of frugality that is what I am now lead to believe is the only correct way to go.

Also with the staves.... the 20% BUFF they got is definately a buff... the old 10/10 mods were cool but the new school 20/10 staves are much better.

o m g pizowned · Oct 28, 2010, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by VAge Japie

Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?

Good? What is wrong with 15>50, or +5energy? I don't ever need another damage mod and if I do I'd rather have multiple skins. Makes things more interesting.